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iluvdebates
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Posted: Mon Jul 10th, 2006 05:58 pm |
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| what do u think about it?
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nselegzi
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Posted: Mon Jul 10th, 2006 08:34 pm |
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"Physical force" is perhaps not the best phrase here. This topic might be better worded as: The use of corporal punishment on children can be justified.
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Lylak
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 03:23 am |
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| Well in my opinion and being a parent myself, i think there should be a little punishment for misbehavior. i mean think about it, with all the laws now saying you can't spank, yell or punish a child or you could face jail time is pathetic. and then people wonder why teens are so out of control. my parents used to spank me and now that im older im happy they did. it kept me in line. Im not saying beat up your kids, but we need to show our kids who is the parent. The government and Human services say well if you punish your kids, they will hate you or retaliate. First off WRONG! i mean if you dont set boundaries, you are most likely raise kids who end up in jail, pregnant, or possibly dead. Not everyone may agree with this idea, but majority of parents i think will know what im saying. Attachment: november.gif (Downloaded 89 times)
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nselegzi
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Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2006 10:09 pm |
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The question, however, is whether physical force should be used as a form of punishment. I don't suppose anyone would argue a child should never be punished, but there are people who believe that alternatives to physical force should be used when punishing children.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 07:43 am |
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| In my opinion using physical force to discipline children is okay to a certain extent. For example, spanking, pinching, and littlie hit on the hand is okay. However if you were to beat a child in a extremely violent manner then that becomes abuse which is completly wrong. Last edited on Thu Aug 31st, 2006 07:43 am by Destroyer_Angel007
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Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 02:56 pm |
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| Surley using any type of violence on a child will just lead to the child thinking that violence is exceptable even if it is just a hit on the hand what if the child goes around hiiting other people on the hand.
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Posted: Sun Sep 3rd, 2006 12:41 am |
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| maybe its because i just came from a party with 30 screaming 2-4 year olds, but i think a regulated physical force is needed to keep children in place. i notice today that one of the children's mom told them to stop and the child just went back to what they were doing. Its more hurtful for a child to never listen to the word no than it is for a child to be grounded for two weeks. DUH!!!
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Posted: Mon Sep 4th, 2006 02:57 pm |
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| Still hitting children however soft stills leads them to think that violence is ok Surley no matter how many children you violence just can't be right or exceptable. If a parent can justiy it they really need to ask themselfs some questions!! Last edited on Tue Sep 5th, 2006 11:53 am by JAF
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Posted: Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 06:09 pm |
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ONCE ALL OTHER IMMEDIATE DICIPLINE HAS FAILED. WHEN THE CHILD HAS THE OPPERTUNITY TO RECOGNISE AND EXPLAIN THEIR BEHAVIOUR AND ONCE THAT CHILD HAS HAD THE OPPERTUINITY TO REPENT... THEN THIS IS WHERE I JUSTIFY CORPORAL PUNISHMENT...
YES BY ALL MEANS THIS DOES NOT SUGGEST THAT OUT VIEWS AND ACTIONS ARE TO BE IMMEDIATELY PULLED OUT OF THE HISTORY BOOKS BUT IN A SOCIETY LIKE THIS, WHY CANT WE ACCOMODATE THE EFFICIENCY OF AN OLDER DICIPLINE SYSTEM AND MODERNIZE IT TO SUIT OUR CIVILIZED SOCIETY.
BEX 
PLZ CHEK OUT MY WEE DISCUSSION BOARD.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:57 am |
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| I used to be a smacker because that is how i was raised i knew that if iwas late home or just done the wrong thing in general there would be consequences.but my wife who has allways been anti smacking has taught me different methods of punishment and to my surprise they have been very affective taking away prevliges and things they like has worked but you have to stick to your guns if you say aweek it means a week not a day or five days a week so i would now say you do not have to smack to disciplline And even though i turned out ok because dad did hit me i was very scared of him and i never want my children to feel that way towards me.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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treharne wrote: even though i turned out ok because dad did hit me i was very scared of him and i never want my children to feel that way towards me.
I agree with this, because of the way my dad raised me i was always scared of him and that led to me not being able to go to him when i had problems and was in need of advice. I foubd myself hiding alot of things from him and lying to him when i really could have done wth an adult oppinion. Hitting children is not the way to punish them, these days there s much more effective ways to disapline such as taking away their toys and not alowing them to go to friends houses, partys etc....
This way they should still treat you with respect and wont be physicaly scared of you.
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| It sure helped me!!! It sets me on track to being a man of wisdom.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 10:05 pm |
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| I believe that corporal punishment is a sorry excuse for parents to treat there children like crap! This is just another example of tyrrany by terror! Corpral punishment is child abuse and anyone that denies the legitimate cause for concern obviously needs help! Children are people too! It doesn't matter how "mad" you are there is no excuse for treating a child with this contempt! There is no science that proves that corpral punishment is good, as a matter of fact it has been shown to cause more damage than it prevents!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:40 am |
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| Where did you get that last statement you made? Who said that? And it actually depends on the parent; not all parents are the same. All I want to know is where you got that last statement. Who proved it?
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:45 pm |
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I have heard the statement that corporal punishment does more harm than good made by every DHS worker I've spoken with and even the Dr. that did my Neuropsych. There can be no good motive in corporal punishment. I guess this raises a question of ethical standards. Is it ok to "spank" a two year old kid?! The answer is NO! THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS! REGARDLESS OF INTENT THAT IS BOGUS! THE KID PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN WEIGH HALF AS MUCH AS THE PARENT, AND THE WHOLE PROCESS IS ABSOLUTLEY DEGRADING! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT?! OBVIOSLY: THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET THERAPY! WHO THE... WANTS TO DO THAT TO A KID?!  All parents are the same in this manner that it doesn't matter who you are corporal punishment gets WAY out of hand!Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:47 pm by Ceeper
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 04:36 pm |
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Ceeper wrote: I have heard the statement that corporal punishment does more harm than good made by every DHS worker I've spoken with and even the Dr. that did my Neuropsych. There can be no good motive in corporal punishment. I guess this raises a question of ethical standards. Is it ok to "spank" a two year old kid?! The answer is NO! THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS! REGARDLESS OF INTENT THAT IS BOGUS! THE KID PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN WEIGH HALF AS MUCH AS THE PARENT, AND THE WHOLE PROCESS IS ABSOLUTLEY DEGRADING! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT?! OBVIOSLY: THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET THERAPY! WHO THE... WANTS TO DO THAT TO A KID?! All parents are the same in this manner that it doesn't matter who you are corporal punishment gets WAY out of hand!
First of all you don't spank a 2 year old. You wait until they're older, not 2! No one wants to punish a kid, but it's for their own good. Then they won't even think about doing something bad again because they know what the consequenses are. Hey Ceeper do you think that the only way to punish a kid is "time out"? TIme outs aren't sufficient. The kids need something that they will remember and not do again. And besides, the parents only need to do it once! It's easier!
Last edited on Sat Oct 31st, 2009 04:37 pm by JonnyRL
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 05:12 pm |
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| it is reasonale to assert that using physical force on childeren to punish them is justifyable. this is because, physical force sticks to childeren more that verbal force. take singapore for example. their punishment for criminals is caning which is hitting them on the butt with a cane. singapore is considered one of the best countries when it comes to "criminal cleanliness" in other words, singpore is a very "criminal-less" country. this is why i believe that it is indeed true that using physical force on childeren to punish them is justifyable.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:31 pm |
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 FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PUNISH A KID THAN BY JUST GIVING THEM A TIME OUT OR A "SPANKING!" HAVING TO "SPANK" A KID IS A SORRY EXCUSE FOR PARENTS NOT TO TEACH THEIR KIDS WHAT IS RIGHT! IF YOU PUNISH KIDS BY "SPANKING" THEM, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THIS FORM OF PUNISHMENT ENCOURAGES VIOLENCE?! "WHY DO I BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF OTHER KIDS? I'M JUST SPANKING THEM, MY PARENTS DID THAT TO ME SO THUS IT MUST BE OK..." THAT IS THE MINDSET WE ARE INSTILLING IN KIDS WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT! THIS IS NOT OKAY! THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 12:34 am |
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Ceeper wrote: FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PUNISH A KID THAN BY JUST GIVING THEM A TIME OUT OR A "SPANKING!" HAVING TO "SPANK" A KID IS A SORRY EXCUSE FOR PARENTS NOT TO TEACH THEIR KIDS WHAT IS RIGHT! IF YOU PUNISH KIDS BY "SPANKING" THEM, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THIS FORM OF PUNISHMENT ENCOURAGES VIOLENCE?! "WHY DO I BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF OTHER KIDS? I'M JUST SPANKING THEM, MY PARENTS DID THAT TO ME SO THUS IT MUST BE OK..." THAT IS THE MINDSET WE ARE INSTILLING IN KIDS WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT! THIS IS NOT OKAY! THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS!
ok...ok...first of all, "there are other ways to punish kids" like....? grounding? not going to stick. what other forms are there? lecturing? ummm not gonna work the kids'll just fight back.
"HAVING TO "SPANK" A KID IS A SORRY EXCUSE FOR PARENTS NOT TO TEACH THEIR KIDS WHAT IS RIGHT!" spanking is the way that the parents teach the kids what is right.
"IF YOU PUNISH KIDS BY "SPANKING" THEM, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THIS FORM OF PUNISHMENT ENCOURAGES VIOLENCE?!" do i think this? no. why? spanking won't necessarily influence the kids to "BEAT THE CRAP" out of other kids. some may but most wont.
"THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS" yeah..uh huh this may apply to politics and things like that but when it comes to disciplining the kid...parents have the right to discipline them anyway they want. (child abuse is a different story)
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 02:06 pm |
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It's the matter if we talk about the effect now, not years later after the kids already grown up. Using physical force to punish kids always leads to close mindsets because kids will learn to 'protect' themselves. Therefore, there's a possibility for the kids to 'punish back' parents as a form to 'protect' themselves.
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