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The topic for debate is: This House Calls for Urgent Action on Global Warming.

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More action is needed to be taken when it comes to Global Warming.

We are the ones destroying our planet, the earth is not going through natural temperature changes, we're making unnatural temperature changes and it isnt benefitting anyone.

If everyone in the world pays attention and put the Safe Climate Act (H.R. 5642) and the Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act (S. 3698), into play,These important science-based climate bills would set real, long-term reductions in global warming pollution.

Scientists agree that unless we reduce global warming pollution significantly in the next 50 years, average temperatures could rise another 3 to 9 degrees in the United States by the end of the century, causing more heat waves, air pollution, droughts and wildfires, heavier rains and flooding, rising sea levels, melting tundra and widespread loss of wildlife habitat. The Bush administration's voluntary approach to global warming will not stop -- or even slow -- the steady increase in global warming pollution, but will instead continue the buildup of dangerous levels of carbon pollution in the atmosphere.

S. 3698 and H.R. 5642 represent action on the scale we need to prevent the worst effects of global warming by starting to cut heat-trapping pollution now and increasing reductions year by year. Delaying this action will only make the task harder and more expensive.

i have heard the greatest scientist of this time steven hawkins, tell us that we have destoryed this planet, and if we continue this we wont surivive and will have to move to another planet.

there is new proof that humans have caused Global Warming.
The present trend of warmer sea temperatures, which have risen by an average of half a degree Celsius (0.9F) over the past 40 years, can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, new research has been revealed.

we have one world, one chance
every action has a reaction, our reaction isnt a good one.


Put And End To Global Warming!

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Ok, I'm in on this one.

No action is needed when it comes to Global Warming.  There is absolutly NO proof that humans have casued global warming.  I agree that the earth may be warming up a bit but remember it is only a few degrees in the past 100 years.   there is no way that humans are causing this small rise in tempurature.  I would like to see this (new reserch) it seems interesting.

 

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In the study, Dr Barnett’s team examined more than seven million observations of temperature, salinity and other variables in the world’s oceans, collected by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and compared the patterns with those that are predicted by computer models of various potential causes of climate change.

It found that natural variation in the Earth’s climate, or changes in solar activity or volcanic eruptions, which have been suggested as alternative explanations for rising temperatures, could not explain the data collected in the real world. Models based on man-made emissions of greenhouse gases, however, matched the observations almost precisely.

Climate change has affected the seas in different ways in different parts of the world: in the Atlantic, for example, rising temperatures can be observed up to 700 metres below the surface, while in the Pacific the warming is seen only up to 100m down.

Only the greenhouse models replicated the changes that have been observed in practice. 

All the potential culprits have been ruled out except one.

This is perhaps the most compelling evidence yet that global warming is happening right now, and it shows that we can successfully simulate its past and its likely future evolution. The statistical significance of these results is far too strong to be merely dismissed and should wipe out much of the uncertainty about the reality of global warming.

 

theres your proof that everything that we may have thought could have triggered global warming has beenr uled out, except for what we have done.

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Hi Debator2,

You're not in on this one officially, but if you'd like to be, you need to read the rules and make sure your post meets the minimum word count.

Thanks,

Noel

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     Anthropogenic Global Warming, the theory that the earth is warming up and it is doing so because of human influence and greenhouse gasses.  I will prove to you that this is wrong.  As long as we have been observing the earth we have known that its climate has been fluctuating between colder and warmer periods. It is agreed the shifts are occurring in more or less 100,000-year intervals.  Some researches believe this is somehow regulated by the sun. The amount of sunlight that the earth receives depends upon its orbit and where it lies relative to the sun.  As you may know our orbit around the sun does slightly change. 

      Since The mid 1800s the global mean temperature has raised 0.6 degrees F.  Two thirds of that raise happened before 1940.  At this time industrial pollution was still minimal.  Based on satellite temperature readings the earths atmosphere has actually cooled down .13 degrees since 1979 does the temperature going down sound like global warming to you?  Also cooling down is the arctic. In the past fifty years it has cooled a noticeable .88 degrees once again it is cooling off not raising in temperature.

      The major natural greenhouse gas is Water vapor which causes about 36-70% of the greenhouse effect on Earth (not including Clouds) Can you change that? How are we going to stop watervapor?

      CO2, The infamous green house gas that is being held responsible for global warming, has a few qualities that we all need to remember.  First off, let me inform you that CO2 is not truly a pollutant and at one time there was a lot more on earth than there is now. By getting rid of it we would all die.  CO2 is the gas that all plants need to survive.  With out plants and vegetation the world would have no oxygen and no food.  Without food and oxygen we die. 

      This is climate change we is a natural process that the earth is going threw. Temperature fluctuations much larger than this one have occurred over geologic time due to natural causes. Just because some scientists say that we are causing the earth to warm up doesn’t mean it is true. The earth is a place full of change at one time it was covered in molten rock, at another Ice, and North America was once an ocean all this happened even before humans existed. 

 

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Climate change is with us. A decade ago, it was conjecture. Now the future is unfolding before our eyes. Canada's Inuit see it in disappearing Arctic ice and permafrost. The shantytown dwellers of Latin America and Southern Asia see it in lethal storms and floods. Europeans see it in disappearing glaciers, forest fires and fatal heat waves.

Scientists see it in tree rings, ancient coral and bubbles trapped in ice cores. These reveal that the world has not been as warm as it is now for a millennium or more. The three warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998; 19 of the warmest 20 since 1980. And Earth has probably never warmed as fast as in the past 30 years - a period when natural influences on global temperatures, such as solar cycles and volcanoes should have cooled us down. Studies of the thermal inertia of the oceans suggest that there is more warming in the pipeline.

Climatologists reporting for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) say we are seeing global warming caused by human activities and there are growing fears of feedbacks that will accelerate this warming.

Global greenhouse
People are causing the change by burning nature's vast stores of coal, oil and natural gas. This releases billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2) every year, although the changes may actually have started with the dawn of agriculture, say some scientists.

The physics of the "greenhouse effect" has been a matter of scientific fact for a century. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that traps the Sun's radiation within the troposphere, the lower atmosphere. It has accumulated along with other man-made greenhouse gases, such as methane and CFC's (chlorofluorocarbons).

If current trends continue, we will raise atmospheric CO2 concentrations to double pre-industrial levels during this century. That will probably be enough to raise global temperatures by around 2°C to 5°C. Some warming is certain, but the degree will be determined by feedbacks involving melting ice, the oceans, water vapour, clouds and changes to vegetation.

Warming is bringing other unpredictable changes. Melting glaciers and precipitation are causing some rivers to overflow, while evaporation is emptying others. Diseases are spreading. Some crops grow faster while others see yields slashed by disease and drought. Strong hurricanes are becoming more frequent and destructive. Arctic sea ice is melting faster every year, and there are growing fears of a shutdown of the ocean currents that keep Europe warm for its latitude. Clashes over dwindling wate resources may cause conflicts in many regions.

As natural ecosystems - such as coral reefs - are disrupted, biodiversity is reduced. Most species cannot migrate fast enough to keep up, though others are already evolving in response to warming.

Thermal expansion of the oceans, combined with melting ice on land, is also raising sea levels. In this century, human activity could trigger an irreversible melting of the Greenland ice sheet and Antarctic glaciers. This would condemn the world to a rise in sea level of six metres - enough to flood land occupied by billions of people.

The global warming would be more pronounced if it were not for sulphur particles and other pollutants that shade us, and because forests and oceans absorb around half of the CO2 we produce. But the accumulation rate of atmospheric CO2 has increased since 2001, suggesting that nature's ability to absorb the gas could now be stretched to the limit. Recent research suggests that natural CO2 "sinks", like peat bogs and forests, are actually starting to release CO2.

 

WE have changed the temperature drastically.

And we do have alot of control over CO2 .... if we didnt then why would scientists already be planning to use them to chnage teh atmosphere of Mars so we can live there whenever wecant live here anymore because of the pollution etc. 

 

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[size=      ]About a million years ago the earth cooled dramatically (this would mean it would have had to been warm) and the first of the great Ice Ages takes over.  In the last million years there have been four glacial ages that have covered large areas of the earth. Each age scraped and gouged, and sometimes buried evidence of the previous glaciers. The earliest glacier to leave evidence in the area arrived here 100,000 years ago.  The last Ice Age ended about 10,000 years ago. The ice had covered as far south as Wales and the Midlands, with the south of England left frozen and bare. Temperatures averaged -8ºC.

            Now, let me ask you something.  Is the average temperature of south England-8ºC today? Or was it 100 years ago? The answer is an obvious no. This is because the earth is on a geological life cycle and warms up then cools down over time.  Between the four glacial ages what do you think happened to melt those glaciers? It sure wasn’t something to do with human influence. So this information obviously suggests that the earth is on its own cycle.  And we all know what the out come of the earth warming up and coming out of this ice age is going to be, right?

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            Ok now here is something even more lovely to think about.  Get a piece of paper and a pen or pencil in front of you. Draw alien all the way across the paper horizontally so you can make a time line.  At one end of the line write today and on the other write  4.5 billion years ago(this is when the earth was born).  Now on your time line find 200,000 years ago. This mark should be very close to the today mark.  The 200,000 years ago mark represents when humans first populated earth.  Accurate weather recordings have been made since 1890 so find about 120 years ago.   Now look at this, do you see how long humans have existed.  A thumbnail in the huge time that earth has been around. These scientists don’t know what was going on 4.5 billion years ago or anywhere close to that.  How are Scientists accurately saying that the earth is warming due to human influence when they don’t know how much then earth is really warming compared to other time periods. 

            Below are the facts the numbers that show you the information we do have and how the climate has been over the past 114 years.

 

The average temperature of the world since 1890 is 54.67913 Degrees Fahrenheit

The average temperature of the world from 1890-1946 is 54.85789 Degrees Fahrenheit

The average temperature of the world from 1946-2004 is 54.50345 Degrees Fahrenheit

These are from the National Weather Service the temperatures are taken from highly accurate satellites in orbit around the earth.

 

The average temperature of the earth has not significantly changed since pollution in 1880

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here is a timeline showing the change in climate over the years.

 

1827: French polymath Jean-Baptiste Fourier predicts an atmospheric effect keeping the Earth warmer than it would otherwise be. He is the first to use a greenhouse analogy.

1863: Irish scientist John Tyndall publishes a paper describing how water vapour can be a greenhouse gas.

1890s: Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius and an American, P C Chamberlain, independently consider the problems that might be caused by CO2 building up in the atmosphere. Both scientists realise that the burning of fossil fuels could lead to global warming, but neither suspects the process might already have begun.

1890s to 1940: Average surface air temperatures increase by about 0.25 °C. Some scientists see the American Dust Bowl as a sign of the greenhouse effect at work.

1940 to 1970: Worldwide cooling of 0.2°C. Scientific interest in greenhouse effect wanes. Some climatologists predict a new ice age.

1957: US oceanographer Roger Revelle warns that humanity is conducting a "large-scale geophysical experiment" on the planet by releasing greenhouse gases. Colleague David Keeling sets up first continuous monitoring of CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Keeling soon finds a regular year-on-year rise.

1970s: Series of studies by the US Department of Energy increases concerns about future global warming.

1979: First World Climate Conference adopts climate change as major issue and calls on governments "to foresee and prevent potential man-made changes in climate."

1985: First major international conference on the greenhouse effect at Villach, Austria, warns that greenhouse gases will "in the first half of the next century, cause a rise of global mean temperature which is greater than any in man's history." This could cause sea levels to rise by up to one metre, researchers say. The conference also reports that gases other than CO2, such as methane, ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide, also contribute to warming.

1987: Warmest year since records began. The 1980s turn out to be the hottest decade on record, with seven of the eight warmest years recorded up to 1990. Even the coldest years in the 1980s were warmer than the warmest years of the 1880s.

1988: Global warming attracts worldwide headlines after scientists at Congressional hearings in Washington DC blame major US drought on its influence. Meeting of climate scientists in Toronto subsequently calls for 20% cuts in global CO2 emissions by the year 2005. UN sets up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to analyse and report on scientific findings.

1990: The first report of the IPCC finds that the planet has warmed by 0.5°C in the past century. IPCC warns that only strong measures to halt rising greenhouse gas emissions will prevent serious global warming. This provides scientific clout for UN negotiations for a climate convention. Negotiations begin after the UN General Assembly in December.

1991: Mount Pinatubo erupts in the Philippines, throwing debris into the stratosphere that shields the Earth from solar energy, which helps interrupt the warming trend. Average temperatures drop for two years before rising again. Scientists point out that this event shows how sensitive global temperatures are to disruption.

1992: Climate Change Convention, signed by 154 nations in Rio, agrees to prevent "dangerous" warming from greenhouse gases and sets initial target of reducing emissions from industrialised countries to 1990 levels by the year 2000.

1994: The Alliance of Small Island States - many of whom fear they will disappear beneath the waves as sea levels rise - adopt a demand for 20% cuts in emissions by the year 2005. This, they say, will cap sea-level rise at 20 centimetres.

1995: The hottest year recorded to date. In March, the Berlin Mandate is agreed by signatories at the first full meeting of the Climate Change Convention in Berlin. Industrialised nations agree on the need to negotiate real cuts in their emissions, to be concluded by the end of 1997.

In November, the IPCC states that current warming "is unlikely to be entirely natural in origin" and that "the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate". Its report predicts that, under a "business as usual" scenario, global temperatures by the year 2100 will have risen by between 1°C and 3.5°C.

1996: At the second meeting of the Climate Change Convention, the US agrees for the first time to legally binding emissions targets and sides with the IPCC against influential sceptical scientists. After a four-year pause, global emissions of CO2 resume their steep climb, and scientists warn that most industrialised countries will not meet Rio agreement to stabilise emissions at 1990 levels by the year 2000.

1997: Kyoto Protocol agrees legally binding emissions cuts for industrialised nations, averaging 5.4%, to be met by 2010. The meeting also adopts a series of flexibility measures, allowing countries to meet their targets partly by trading emissions permits, establishing carbon sinks such as forests to soak up emissions, and by investing in other countries. The precise rules are left for further negotiations. Meanwhile, the US government says it will not ratify the agreement unless it sees evidence of "meaningful participation" in reducing emissions from developing countries.

1998: Follow-up negotiations in Buenos Aires fail to resolve disputes over the Kyoto "rule book", but agree on a deadline for resolution by the end of 2000. 1998 is the hottest year in the hottest decade of the hottest century of the millennium.

2000: IPCC scientists re-assess likely future emissions and warn that, if things go badly, the world could warm by 6°C within a century. A series of major floods around the world reinforce public concerns that global warming is raising the risk of extreme weather events. But in November, crunch talks held in The Hague to finalise the "Kyoto rule book" fail to reach agreement after EU and US fall out. Decisions postponed until at least May 2001.

2001: The new US president, George W Bush, renounces the Kyoto Protocol because he believes it will damage the US economy. After some hesitation, other nations agree to go ahead without him. Talks in Bonn in July and Marrakech in November finally conclude the fine print of the protocol. Analysts say that loopholes have pegged agreed cuts in emissions from rich-nation signatories to less than a third of the original Kyoto promise. Signatory nations urged to ratify the protocol in their national legislatures in time for it to come into force before the end of 2002.

2002: Parliaments in the European Union, Japan and others ratify Kyoto. But the protocol's complicated rules require ratification by nations responsible for 55% of industrialised country emissions, before it can come into force. After Australia joins the US in reneging on the deal, Russia is left to make or break the treaty, but hesitates. Meanwhile, the world experiences the second hottest year on record.

2003: Globally it is the third hottest year on record, but Europe experiences the hottest summer for at least 500 years, with an estimated 30,000 fatalities as a result. Researchers later conclude the heat wave is the first extreme weather event almost certainly attributable to man-made climate change. Extreme weather costs an estimated record of $60 billion this year. 2003 also sees a marked acceleration in the rate of accumulation of greenhouse gases. Scientists are uncertain if it is a blip or a new, more ominous trend. Meanwhile Russia blows hot and cold over Kyoto.

2004: A deal is struck on Kyoto. President Putin announces in May that Russia will back the Protocol - and the EU announces it will support Russia's membership of the World Trade Organization. On 18 November, the Russian parliament ratifies the protocol, paving the way for it to come into force in 2005.

2005: Second warmest year on record. Researchers link warming to a record US hurricane season, accelerated melting of Arctic sea ice and Siberian permafrost, and apparent disruption of the global ocean current that warms Europe. The Kyoto Protocol comes into force. In December, Kyoto signatories agree to discuss emissions targets for the second compliance period beyond 2012, while countries without targets, including the US and China, agree to a “non-binding dialogue� on their future roles in curbing emissions.

 

Scientists know for certain that human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide (CO2 ), in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times have been well documented. There is no doubt this atmospheric buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities.

It's well accepted by scientists that greenhouse gases trap heat in the Earth's atmosphere and tend to warm the planet. By increasing the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, human activities are strengthening Earth's natural greenhouse effect. The key greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries.

A warming trend of about 1
°F has been recorded since the late 19th century. Warming has occurred in both the northern and southern hemispheres, and over the oceans. Confirmation of 20th-century global warming is further substantiated by melting glaciers, decreased snow cover in the northern hemisphere and even warming below ground.


The facts about global warming are as follows....................... We know exactly how much carbon dioxide has increased during the last century in the Earth's atmosphere. The increase is very substantial, from a pre-industrial level of 270 parts per million to the present value of 375 parts per million. There is no way this increase could be due to natural causes, it is instead consistent with its origin in human activities. Carbon dioxide remained practically constant for the 10000 years before the industrial era, and it is now increasing at unprecedented levels. There has not been as much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as there is now for at least the last four hundred thousand years. There is nothing that is uncertain about these facts.

also if you didnt know...Carbon dioxide accounts for 60% of the human-induced global warming, the other 40% being due to methane, nitrous oxide, and hydrofluorocarbons. The increase of all these gases over the last two centuries are due to human activities. While it is important to reduce all the greenhouse emissions, carbon dioxide has the largest effect and therefore reducing global warming requires reducing carbon dioxide emissions. I think these uncertainties on the impact of global warming make it more imperative that we take immediate action to stop our dependence on fossil fuels. The fact that we are not certain about the exact consequences of global warming means that we are doing an experiment with the Earth . We are doing an experiment because we are altering the Earth with our activities, and we cannot safely predict what the outcome will be. However, it must be added that this is a reckless experiment . A change in the global climate could bring catastrophic consequences for agriculture in some countries, spread of disease, and sea-level rise causing as many as 100 million environmental refugees. Different countries may suffer from an increased occurrence of floods, hurricanes, or drought. When such disasters happen, nobody can say with certainty that they were caused by global warming (as in the case of hurricane Mitch in Honduras and Guatemala, which killed 10000 people), even though global warming likely increases their rate of incidence. When the poorest nations of the Earth are affected, are the rich nations that are causing the problem with their carbon dioxide emissions going to pay the bill? If the forecasted rise in sea level and increased storm intensity renders large parts of Bangladesh or other countries uninhabitable, or unusable for agriculture, will these countries receive sufficient reparations from the Western world to make up for their losses? History suggests that the rich nations will continue to be as selfish (and irresponsible) as ever!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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The media, when talking about global warming, usually gets two opinions, one from a scientist for global warming, and one against it. This is done to prevent the suspicion that the media is biased. Because of this, many people believe that global warming is a "natural" cycle. They believe that it is an equal-sided debate. However, it was found that there were only eight scientists against global warming, and they all worked for oil companies and the like. And skeptics argue that global warming is not proved, but there is strong, very strong evidence that suggests it. In this graph, the graph of CO2 emmisions and the graph of the temperature were nearly identical. Notice how both are rising sky-high recently.



The next graph shows the recent sea level increase and the potential increase, which lists different scenarios, all of them rising up. The melting of the Greenland ice and the retreat of glaciers are no coincidence. Sea level rise will lead to serious displacement, loss of land, and overpopulation.



The next graph shows the relationship between sea temperature and hurricane energy. There is a positive relationship, and hurricanes are going to be much more destructive in the future if we do nothing about it.



Other than this, there are many other consequences to global warming. The increase of parasitic disease will increase, for parasites breed faster in higher temperatures. Insects will breed as well, resulting in more dengue fever, malaria, encephilitis, etc. Humans will also suffer from hyperthermia, heat cramp, and heat stress. Some may argue that even if they exist, it is impossible to slow it down. But we did it before. Look at the ozone layer. It was a big problem last century, but people adapted and took care of it, and it is not that serious nowadays. Thus, it is necessary to stop global warming. Urgent action is needed.

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Al Gores Science is faulty.  He always claims that a consensus of scientists claim that Global Warming is due to humans having an effect.  Consensus can never be trusted.  There are thousands of scientists that believe that Al Gore is WRONG and is sending a dangerous message. 

In one of Gore's recent expeditions to Antarctica, where he performs his famous ice core drillings,  he made an interesting find.  He found frozen in the ice plants and branches and leaves from ions ago.  What he also discovered was that the temperature back then was 9 degrees higher than it is now, and still . . . The ice caps DID NOT completely melt.

I have many more facts to dispute the GLOBAL WARMING claim that i will post at a later time.

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In an "inconvenient truth" al Gore is discussing the North Atlantic current and how vital it is.  This is very true.  But, when he explained that 250-300,000 years ago, that North America was covered with ice, much like Greenland is.  He showed how when the North American Ice cap melted, it flowed into the Atlantic ocean, and all of the fresh water shut down the North Atlantic current, plunging Europe into a 10,000 year ice age. 

He then sarcastically said this will not happen again because there aren't any large ice masses anywhere near The Atlantic today. He then pointed to Greenland and said "Oh yea, i almost forgot."

That is startling at first, but once you think for yourself instead of listening to only Gore, i came up with the conclusion that when the North American ice cap melted,  all those years ago, about 300,000 years before the industrial revolution, humans werent areound burning coal and using oil and other fossil fuels.  so what caused the ice in North Am. to melt? I would assume it got warmer.  I mean that is common sense.  So if it got warmer and we werent around, than well, that means that the Earth's temperature can rise without us having an effect on it. 

If you are going to argue this stuff, you have got to be clear on whether you are talking about climatology, or meteorology.

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MrMason wrote: In an "inconvenient truth" al Gore is discussing the North Atlantic current and how vital it is.  This is very true.  But, when he explained that 250-300,000 years ago, that North America was covered with ice, much like Greenland is.  He showed how when the North American Ice cap melted, it flowed into the Atlantic ocean, and all of the fresh water shut down the North Atlantic current, plunging Europe into a 10,000 year ice age. 

He then sarcastically said this will not happen again because there aren't any large ice masses anywhere near The Atlantic today. He then pointed to Greenland and said "Oh yea, i almost forgot."

That is startling at first, but once you think for yourself instead of listening to only Gore, i came up with the conclusion that when the North American ice cap melted,  all those years ago, about 300,000 years before the industrial revolution, humans werent areound burning coal and using oil and other fossil fuels.  so what caused the ice in North Am. to melt? I would assume it got warmer.  I mean that is common sense.  So if it got warmer and we werent around, than well, that means that the Earth's temperature can rise without us having an effect on it. 

If you are going to argue this stuff, you have got to be clear on whether you are talking about climatology, or meteorology.


I agree with you!

 

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Global Warming is believed by many to be 'scam'.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't heat always been changing over the last 2000 years.

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JT wrote: MrMason wrote: In an "inconvenient truth" al Gore is discussing the North Atlantic current and how vital it is.  This is very true.  But, when he explained that 250-300,000 years ago, that North America was covered with ice, much like Greenland is.  He showed how when the North American Ice cap melted, it flowed into the Atlantic ocean, and all of the fresh water shut down the North Atlantic current, plunging Europe into a 10,000 year ice age. 

He then sarcastically said this will not happen again because there aren't any large ice masses anywhere near The Atlantic today. He then pointed to Greenland and said "Oh yea, i almost forgot."

That is startling at first, but once you think for yourself instead of listening to only Gore, i came up with the conclusion that when the North American ice cap melted,  all those years ago, about 300,000 years before the industrial revolution, humans werent areound burning coal and using oil and other fossil fuels.  so what caused the ice in North Am. to melt? I would assume it got warmer.  I mean that is common sense.  So if it got warmer and we werent around, than well, that means that the Earth's temperature can rise without us having an effect on it. 

If you are going to argue this stuff, you have got to be clear on whether you are talking about climatology, or meteorology.


I agree with you!
Well Said!

 

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peterseho wrote: The media, when talking about global warming, usually gets two opinions, one from a scientist for global warming, and one against it. This is done to prevent the suspicion that the media is biased. Because of this, many people believe that global warming is a "natural" cycle. They believe that it is an equal-sided debate. However, it was found that there were only eight scientists against global warming, and they all worked for oil companies and the like. And skeptics argue that global warming is not proved, but there is strong, very strong evidence that suggests it. In this graph, the graph of CO2 emmisions and the graph of the temperature were nearly identical. Notice how both are rising sky-high recently.



The next graph shows the recent sea level increase and the potential increase, which lists different scenarios, all of them rising up. The melting of the Greenland ice and the retreat of glaciers are no coincidence. Sea level rise will lead to serious displacement, loss of land, and overpopulation.



The next graph shows the relationship between sea temperature and hurricane energy. There is a positive relationship, and hurricanes are going to be much more destructive in the future if we do nothing about it.



Other than this, there are many other consequences to global warming. The increase of parasitic disease will increase, for parasites breed faster in higher temperatures. Insects will breed as well, resulting in more dengue fever, malaria, encephilitis, etc. Humans will also suffer from hyperthermia, heat cramp, and heat stress. Some may argue that even if they exist, it is impossible to slow it down. But we did it before. Look at the ozone layer. It was a big problem last century, but people adapted and took care of it, and it is not that serious nowadays. Thus, it is necessary to stop global warming. Urgent action is needed.
Sorry, but I must disagree. This 'trend' has been going on since ice age and before. It is a money making scheme by Thatcher in the 70's,as britain were in debt.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 7th, 2007 12:34 am
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Well this is interesting, petersho. You make the statement that the media only allows scientists on the other side of the global warming debate so the topic doesnt appear biased. You said that there are only 8 scientists that disagree with the "consensus" of environmental scientists's opinion on global warming.  If you are trying to say that there are only 8 scientists in the world that are skeptical of global warming then you need to seriously do some more research.

When the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report came out, (Al Gore makes much mention of it), it claimed to have a consensus of the world's scientists that Global warming is real and happening and it is man's fault. What you will not here about this scam is that when the hundreds, maybe even thousands of scientists gave there 2 cents worth of knowledge and opinion in the report, the report was portrayed as every single scientists apart of the report agreed with every single thing in the report. This is ridiculously false. Scientists had to sue the hell out of the IPCC in order to get their name out of the report. 

So all of these scientists may have believed a portion of climate change, but believed that the majority of it was rubbish. This is why you cannot trust consensus, because the facts will be taken completely out of context.

 

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 Posted: Wed Aug 8th, 2007 12:33 pm
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Mr. Mason,
I do most certainly believe that what you have claimed should be true. But I must still tell others out there that Global Warming is a scam.

Watch the Global Warming Swindel on Channel 4. That explains it all.


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 Posted: Tue Aug 14th, 2007 08:54 pm
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Oh i do believe it is a scam nathy. It is being portrayed by the extremists completely wrong.  It is an overall lie and a dangerous lie at that.  By going backward in economic growth to try and stop the big bad global warming would be suicidal for our country.  and i am becoming very sick and tired of  being told how to live my life, because you know what, if every thing we have accomplished through our technological advances in the past hundred years has come at the cost of a couple degree temperature rise, i'll take it, because i believe that we can figure out a way to stop it through technology if it is at all true, which it is not. We do not need to go back to a 18th century lifestyle. Global Warming is going to happen wether we like it or not, wether we burn fossil fuels or drive hybrids, wether we ride bikes or suv's. Global warming "experts" have admitted it  has happened prior to the industrial revolution, before we could have had an impact. It is an obvious cycle, and no one knows why the earth goes through it.  Mother nature has a way of cleansing herself if needed be, and if she sees fit to do it any time soon, then she will.  I am not going to listen to someone tell me how to live my life from the inside of a limo or a private plane.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:07 pm
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Thank you for the support. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks in this way. Next time I seea 'Cut your Co2 emmissions' billboard, I'll rev my engine up!

BBBRRRRRMMMMMM!!!!!

Thank you once again,
Nathy


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